GROUP 3
(This Group has adopted the "Tivvy" pronunciation)
1. EDWARD TIVEY b. 6.2.1782 Melbourne d. ?1850 in the Shardlow district
Stocking Weaver ? Later Grocer
1) SALLY DOLMAN b. 18.9.1782 d. n.k.
m.27.4.1800 Melbourne
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Ann |
15.3.1801 |
Melbourne |
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? |
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n.k. |
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Edward |
27.10.1804 |
Melbourne |
1)Martha 2)Ann Crtichely nee King |
1822/3 1851 |
?Derby Manchester |
1859 |
Glossop |
|
Joseph |
30.7.1809 |
Sarah Hollingworth |
? |
? Canada |
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Sally |
28.10.1812 |
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? |
n.k. |
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Samuel |
5.12.1814 |
Phoebe Wild |
1833 |
Derby |
n.k. Australia |
2) ELIZABETH b. 1789/90 d. 1852/4 Derby.
Date of marriage not known, but probably before 1837
Children of this marriage, if any, not identified
Note: It is not absolutely certain that the Edward Tivey who was married to Sally and was the father of the five children listed above was the same Edward Tivey, Grocer, who was living in Derby 1841 with his wife, Elizabeth, and who died 1850.
2A. EDWARD TIVEY b. 27.10.1804 Melbourne d. 1859 Glossop, Derbyshire
Stone Mason
MARTHA b. 1802/3 d. 1844 Glossop
about 1822/3 ? Derby
| Edward | 1823/4 | Derby | Ann Rutherford | 1850 | London | 18?? | Bolton |
| Charles | 1826 | Derby | Jane Howard | 1850 | Glossop | 1870 | Manchester |
| John | 1829 | Derby | 1)Mary Doxon 2) Catherine | 1852 1863 | Stayley London | 1874 | London |
| Joseph | 1829 | Derby | Unmarried | 1859 | Glossop | ||
| Sarah Ann | 1832/3 | Baslow | 1864 | Glossop | n.k. | ||
| Harriett | 1834/5 | Baslow | 1864 | Glossop | n.k. | ||
| Maria | 1837 | Glossop | 1858 | Glossop | n.k. | ||
| Mary Ann | 1842 | Glossop | See Note | ||||
There is a marriage record in the district which includes Glossop for a Martha Ann Tivey and one for a Mary Ann Tivey in 1869 Chesterfield district; either of these could refer to the youngest child - there is no other record of a Martha Ann within the ditrict.
2) ANN CRITCHLEY NEE KING b. 1791 d. 1855 Glossop
m. 26.11.1851 Manchester
No Children of this marriage
2B. JOSEPH TIVEY b. 30.7.1809 d. n.k ? in Canada
No further information; believed to have emigrated to Canada before 1841.
2C. SAMUEL TIVEY b. 5.12.1814 d. N.k in Australia
Labourer (at the time of marriage)
PHEBE WILD b. 1811 d. N.k in Australia
m. 9.2.1833 Derby
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Joseph |
21.2.1834 |
Nottingham |
Margaret Hayes |
n k |
Australia |
n.k. |
Australia |
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Samuel |
1835 |
Nottingham |
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1838 |
Nottingham |
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Alfred |
22.12.1836 |
Nottingham |
? |
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Australia |
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Sarah Ann |
24.2. 1839 |
Nottingham |
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? |
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Australia |
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Elizabeth |
25.11.1840 |
Nottingham |
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? |
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Australia |
| Harriett | 13.11.1844 | Nottingham | - | 6.10.1846 | Nottingham | ||
| Harriett | 28.12.1817 | Nottingham | ? | Australia | |||
| Samuel | 9.8.1850 | Australia | Margaret Porter | n.k | Australia | 1895 | Australia |
| Ellen | 31.10.1853 | Australia | ? | Australia |
Samuel & Phebe with their children emigrated to Australia in 1848. they landed on the ship "Bormendsey" at Eden, Twofold Bay, NSW, proceeded to Menare and took up land at Nimitybelle.
3A EDWARD TIVEY b. 1823/4 Derby d. 18?? Bolton
Boot & Shoe Maker
ANN RUTHERFORD b. 1824-6 Liverpool d. 1904 Bolton
m. 18.1.1850 Greenwich, London
At the time of his marriage , Edward was a gunner in the Royal Artillery, but he was a civilian in the 1851 Census.
No Record of any children born in England and Wales.
3A(2) CHARLES TIVEY b. 1826 Derby d. 1870 Manchester
Railway Guard
JANE HOWARD b. 1830 Mottram, Cheshire d. 1893 Manchester
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Martha Ann |
1853 |
Glossop |
1872 |
Manchester |
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n.k | |
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Sarah Elizabeth |
1855 |
Glossop |
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1876 |
Manchester |
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n.k |
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Harriett |
1856 |
Penistone |
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1880 |
Manchester |
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n.k |
| Ann Howard | 1858 | Penistone | 1880 | Salford | n.k. | ||
| Thomas Edward | 1861 | Penistone | 1862 | Manchester | |||
| Washington Cornelius Smith | 1861 | Penistone | 1861 | Penistone | |||
| Tom Howard | 1863 | Manchester | Jane | 1889 | Manchester | 1945 | Stockport |
| John | 1866 | Manchester | Mary | 1887 | Manchester | 1849 | Macclesfield |
3A(3). JOHN TIVEY b.1829 Derby d. 9.2.1874 Shoreditch London
Stone Mason
1)MARY DOXON d. 1857 Stayley, Cheshire
m. 12.4.1852 Stayley, Cheshire
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? Alice |
1852/3 |
Glossop |
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1875 |
London? |
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n.k. |
|
Joseph Edward |
1856 |
Glossop |
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? |
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n. k. |
Alice was definitely a granddaughter of Edward And Martha but it is not certain whether she was the daughter of John and Mary - no record can be traced of her birth
2)CATHERINE (remarried 1877)
m. ?1863 ? Shoreditch, London
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? James |
1866 |
Shoreditch |
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1866 |
Shoreditch |
It is not thought that there were any other children of this marriage
There is no definite record of this marriage of John and Catherine, but there is a record of the marriage John Sirey in Shoreditch in 1863 which could be relevant. There was a Catherine Tivey present at John's Death.
3A(4) JOSEPH TIVEY b.1829 Derby d. 1859 Glossop
Stone Mason
Unmarried
3C(1). JOSEPH TIVEY b.21.2.1834 Nottingham d. n.k. in Australia
MARGARET HAYES
|
William |
1865 |
Inglewood |
Anna G E Jevers |
1900 |
Balinderry, Ireland |
n.k |
Australia |
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Edwin |
1866 |
Inglewood |
Annie Bird Robb |
1906 |
Toorak Aus |
1947 |
Melbourne Australia |
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Joseph |
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? unmarried |
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n.k. |
| Samuel | ? unmarried | n.k. | |||||
| May | ? | n.k | |||||
| Maud | ? | n.k. | |||||
| Hilda | White | ? | ? | n.k. |
3C(2) ALFRED TIVEY b.22.12.1836 Nottingham d. n.k. in Australia
No further definite information, but Alfred is thought to have married and had two sons and two daughters; both sons are believed to have been killed action in World War 1.
3C(1). SAMUEL TIVEY b.1850 d. 1895 Drummaghee, Aus
MARGARET PROCTOR
|
John Proctor |
1882 |
Sydney |
Lorna V Henderson |
1910 |
Sydney |
1968 |
Sydney |
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Norman |
abt 1885 |
Sydney |
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abt 1930 |
Sydney |
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Eric Alfred |
abt 1885 |
Sydney |
Marjorie Victoria Mackay |
1915 |
Kelso NSW |
1966 |
Sydney |
There may have been one or more daughters but these cannot be identified.
4A(2)(a). TOM HOWARD TIVEY b.1863 Manchester d. 1945 Stockport
JANE d. 1866/7 d. 1934 Stockport
m. 1889 Manchester
|
John Charles |
1894 |
Manchester |
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unmarried |
1923 |
Stockport |
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Lily Adelaide |
1902 |
Manchester |
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unmarried |
1954 |
Stockport |
For other children see next entry
4A(2)(b). JOHN TIVEY b.8.2.1866 Manchester d. 1949 Macclesfield, Cheshire
MARY b. 1866/7 d. 1934 Stockport
m. 1887 Manchester
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Hannah |
1887 |
Manchester |
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1908 |
Manchester |
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n.k. |
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John |
1896 |
Manchester |
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- |
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1897 |
Manchester |
For Other possible children, see below.
4A(2)(a)&(b) The following are either the children of Tom Howard or John:-
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Thomas |
1890 |
Manchester |
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1890 |
Manchester |
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Charles |
1890 |
Manchester |
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1890 |
Manchester |
| Jane | 1891 | Manchester | Tedd | 1917 | Manchester | ? | |
| Jane | 1892 | Manchester | - | - | - | 1892 | Manchester |
| Martha | 1893 | Manchester | Brierley | - | Manchester | ? | |
| Florence | 1898 | Manchester | ? | ? | ? | ||
| Amy | 1904 | Manchester | - | 1904 | Manchester | ||
| Ethel | 1904 | Manchester | - | 1904 | Manchester |
4A(2)(X) The following was a son of Sarah Elizabeth before her marriage and he retained the name Tivey
| Charles | 1875 | Manchester | ? | unmarried | 1950 | Manchester |
4A(3) . JOSEPH EDWARD TIVEY b.2.2.1856 Glossop d. n.k.
No further information may have died young but no definite record of death at Somerset House. There are entries in 1861 for both the birth and death of a Joseph Edward Tivey; it is just possible that these refer to the one born in 1856 and that the birth was registered twice.
4C(1)(a). WILLIAM TIVEY b.8.2.1865 Inglewood, Australia d. n.k
HANNAH GEORGINA ELIZABETH JEVERS b. 1867 Australia d. n.k.
married 1900 Ballinderry, Ireland
| Madge Charlotte Jevers | 3.9.1901 | Melbourne Aus. | Francis Faucon | 1946 | Paris | ||
| Mayra | ? | Bonnie Muir | ? | ? |
4C(1)(a). EDWIN TIVEY b.19.9.1866 Inglewood, Australia d. 25.5.1947
Soldier
ANNIE BIRD ROBB
(dau of John Robb of Toorak)
m. 1906
|
Edwin Peter |
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unmarried |
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1943 |
POW Camp |
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Violet |
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unmarried |
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Edwin served as a Captain in the Boer War, when he was awarded the DSO in 1901. In World War I as a BrigadieGeneral he commanded an Australian brigade on the Western Front. He was awarded the CB in 1917 and the CMG in 1919. He retired with the rank of Major-General in 1928. Tivey Parade and Tivey Street in Melbourne suburbs are named after him.
4C(3)(a). JOHN PROCTOR TIVEY b.20.4.1882 Sydney d. 5.11.1968 Sydney
Engineer, Industrialist - knighted 1955
LORNA VIOLET HENDERSON
(dau of James Henderson)
m. 22.3.1910 Sydney
|
Jane Proctor |
26.6.1914 |
Sydney |
John B Davis |
23.9.1943 |
Sydney |
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Roberta Hales Proctor |
21.7.1912 |
Sydney |
Norman Falk |
10.1.1946 |
Sydney |
Sir John Tivey received his knighthood in 1955 for services to engineering and industry in Australia. He was at various times President of Associated Chambers of Manufacturers of Australia, President Institution of Engineers, Australia and member of the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research.
4C(3)(b). NORMAN TIVEY b.abt 1885 Sydney d. abt 1930 Sydney
No further information
4C(3)(e). ERIC ALFRED TIVEY b.1888 Sydney d. 1966Sydney
Doctor
MARJORIE VICTORIA MACKAY b. 1889/90
m. 1915 Kelsoe, NSW, Asutralia
|
Beverley |
1918 |
Wagga Wagga |
Unmarried |
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Sydney |
5A(2)(a). JOHN CHARLES TIVEY b.1894 Manchester d. 1923 Stockport
? unmarried
5A(2)(X). CHARLES TIVEY b.19.10.1875 Manchester d. 1950 Manchester
? unmarried
5C(1)(b). EDWIN PETER TIVEY d. 26.3.1943 in POW camp from wounds received in Action
Unmarried